Live Blog: Biden and Ryan Square Off in Vice-Presidential Debate
It's rare that a vice presidential debate can swing an election, but following GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney's drubbing of President Barack Obama in Denver, Democrats are hoping Vice President Joe Biden can get them back on the right track.
Biden takes on the fresh faced GOP VP nominee, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, in a town hall format contest moderated by ABC News' Martha Raddatz. Biden, a skilled debater from a number of presidential primaries and 2008's match against Sarah Palin, will bring a folksy contrast to the fresh-faced energy of Ryan, a 42-year old fiscal conservative who is seen as the ideological and intellectual leader of his party's congressional faction.
Romney/Ryan have seen a surge in the polls since the former Mass. Governor put in a sterling performance last week; while the Obama campaign has accused him of moderating his positions for a national audience, he was deemed the winner thanks to an aggressive attack, coupled with an unexpected reticence from the president.
Biden is known for playing loose with public speaking rules; he often connects viscerally with an audience, but is prone to making gaffes and silly statements, as well. Ryan is less nationally known as an orator, but gave a full throated attack on Obama/Biden's policies during his RNC speech in August.
Will experience trump youth, or will a new generation's star take hold? Join now The Hollywood Reporter contributing editor Tina Daunt as we live blog this crucial moment in the 2012 Presidential Election. (Additional coverage from The Boston Globe.)
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Got to say. Refreshing to see two smart guys truly debate policy with the gloves off. Been awhile...by halfadams via twitter 10/12/2012 1:47:53 AM -

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FACT CHECK: Romney’s $5 trillion tax cut: The figure comes from an analysis of Romney’s tax plan by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. But it represents only part of Romney’s proposal, not the entirety.
Romney does want to cut taxes. He’d lower every American’s federal income tax rate by a fifth, reduce the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent, eliminate the estate tax and make other cuts. The Tax Policy Center estimated Romney’s cuts would total $480 billion in 2015, or roughly $5 trillion over 10 years.
But Romney has pledged that his tax overhaul would be revenue-neutral -- that he would offset every dollar lost to cuts by closing tax loopholes and eliminating deductions, though he has not said which ones.
“And you'd think, well, then why lower the rates?” Romney said during last week’s debate. “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate … and if we lower that rate, they will be able to hire more people.”
Romney also has promised that his loophole closures and deduction eliminations will not result in a net tax increase on the middle class. The Tax Policy Center concluded that Romney cannot accomplish both goals – revenue neutrality and protecting the middle class from tax hikes – but Princeton economist Harvey S. Rosen and others have argued that he can.
In any case, the net impact of Romney’s tax plan would not be $5 trillion because he would compensate for at least some of the revenue lost to tax cuts by closing loopholes and ending deductions. And his campaign has hinted that he would consider more modest cuts if it became clear that his original proposal would not be revenue neutral or would hit the middle class. -

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Raddatz shifts again: If your ticket is elected, who will pay more and less in taxes. Biden says middle-class will pay less and richest will pay a little more. “They’re holding hostage the middle-class tax cut to the super-wealthy,” says Biden.
Ryan replies, “Our entire premise of these tax reform plans is to grow the economy and create jobs.” He says that a government taking 28 percent of a family’s income is enough. “You see, there aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to fund all their spending programs,” says Ryan. This is his most polished answer of the night. -

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ANALYSIS: THE discussion over Medicare is an important one. Romney/Ryan has been leading among older Americans, but the Obama/Biden tickets believes that the Republican plan to “voucherize” Medicare will backfire on the GOP. It is a complex, wonky debate, so the candidates tonight are boiling their arguments down to friendly phrases. For Biden, it’s appealing to “folks,” looking into the camera, and asking people to trust the Democrats. Ryan retorts repeatedly: “Here’s the problem,” and then launches into a defense of his plan. -

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I am impressed with Biden so far. Biden has passion in his voice. In comparision with Biden, Ryan is no comparision. Biden seems to have better answers, IMO. I am undecided but leaning towards Obama/Biden and waiting for them to close the deal with me, so to speak. Agree,, woodshed Ryan -

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Obama people tell me they are LOVING this debate so far.by jheil via twitter 10/12/2012 1:53:11 AM -
"Why isn't he even contesting Massachusetts?" Biden asks, after Ryan cites his record as governor.by Matt Viser via twitter 10/12/2012 1:53:23 AM -
And by the way, if Romney was such a good governor here, why did he not run for re-election? Because he knew he had no chance - also, if he was so good for Mass., how come he's so far behind in the polls here? The people here saw the job he did he as governor - for the most part don't want it for the country! -

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Back to taxes: “Let me have a chance to translate,” Biden says, as he accuses Ryan and Romney of being unclear about their tax plans. He accuses the Republicans of secret plans to aid the rich. “The only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes” is to cut the mortgage tax deduction.
Ryan says that is not true, and that Romney can work with Democrats in Congress to reach a tax plan, like President Kennedy. “Now you’re Jack Kennedy,” Biden says when Ryan invokes the former president. -

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